Friday, 4 September 2015

John Edgar: Miller and Worried Parent


John Edgar was Johnson and Sarah's eldest child. He was born in Preston St. Mary in 1820 - his christening was on May 12 and interestingly his mother's name is given as 'Hannah' on the transcription of this record, which suggests that his grandmother (neĆ© Hannah Osborn) played a prominent role at the event![1] He's still living at home in 1841 and probably working at the family mill.  A record of 1844 has him at Johnson's original mill in Preston St Mary,[2] and he probably transferred to the new mill that his father built in 1846. [3]

In the first quarter of 1843 he married Mary Ann Norman of Bury St Edmunds; she appears in the 1861 Census return as one year younger than her husband.

The 1851 Census finds his slightly younger brother, Edmund, still living at home. It took me some time to track down John in that Census as his name is mis-transcribed 'Tom' on Ancestry.com. But he's there, living in the Preston mill, and employing one man in the business. He also has an apprentice and a domestic servant. This seems to be the height of John's prosperity. He and Mary Ann have a seven year old son, Jonson (sic but probably Johnson) Edmund (2) and James who's an angelic three months (watch young James carefully). Another record has John still at the Preston mill in 1853,[4] but this mill had a new occupant two years later. What happened to John? The 1861 Census gives us an idea.

In that year John is a miller in Bury St Edmunds about 14 miles north of Preston St Mary. He and Mary Ann have four children (Jonson/Johnson has either died or left home): Edmund (12), James (10), Joseph (8) and Hannah (1). The three older were born in Preston and only young Hannah in Bury. The family are living in Bury, perhaps at number 222 St. Andrews St, but the street naming (which starts off as Cemetery Rd) is confusing  (to me at least). My guess is that John left the Preston mill in about 1854 but his wife went back to Johnson and Sarah for help with giving birth, which, if correct, suggests that the couple didn't leave because of a family row.

 Street Scene, Bury St. Edmunds, c. 1880
"Westgate House Westgate Street Bury St Edmunds" by Unknown - http://www.burypastandpresent.org.uk/bg/BRO_K505_0036.jpg. Licensed under Public Domain via Commons -

There were five windmills in Bury at this time,[5] and I don't know which one John tenanted. One of these mills is last mentioned in 1867, so maybe it was that one, because in 1871 John's still a miller but he's moved again, this time to one of the four mills in Stowmarket, about 15 miles south east of Bury (and close to the former Edgar home village of Combs).

That means he and Mary Ann were almost certainly living there at the time of the disaster that leads off the 'Historic Events' section of the Wikipedia article on the town:

Disaster struck Stowmarket on 11 August 1871, when an explosion at a local gun cotton factory claimed twenty-four lives and left seventy five injured.[6]

Guncotton Explosion

Thanks: http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/gallery_10_things_you_might_not_know_about_stowmarket_1_3583335

Only Hannah, now at school, is living with John and Mary Ann in 1871. But something interesting's happening: James, now about 18 and a journeyman butcher, has left home and is living in the same street as his parents - they're at 188, Lime Tree Place and he's a lodger at no. 126. It's easy to see that an 18 year old then or now might want to leave the parental home -but to become a lodger just down the road? That's unusual and there's a possible explanation.

At the Stowmarket Petty Session on October 22 James Edgar was committed for trial on two charges of embezzlement.[7] He'd been taken into custody the day before.

In January 1868 James pleaded guilty at the Suffolk Assizes to two acts of embezzlement the previous October: on the 12th. he'd obtained the sum of 3s 7d. and six days later another 5s. 2d. The victim was Edward Parish, his 'master'. I can't yet confidently identify Edward Parish but I suspect he was the man of that name born in Ipswich in 1828 to non-conformist parents. Religious belief would account for his comment that he had taken James knowing he was not of 'the best of characters' in the hope of reforming him. It seems that even at the age of 16 he had a bad reputation, which he had fully justified by waiting only two weeks before robbing his employer. In passing sentence the magistrate commented that this was a bad case and that the court felt it couldn't take his youth into account. He handed out six calendar months imprisonment with hard labour.[8] Parish had acted as prosecutor, just as Johnson Edgar had when he too had been embezzled by an employee back in 1837.[9] It must have mortified the old man to learn that his grandson was a prisoner.

James's entry in the court register shows that this was his first offence - no previous misdemeanours or felonies.[10] James served his time in Ipswich County Gaol, and his prison record states his level of education as 'imp', which it seems is a possibly inaccurate attempt by a warden to estimate his ability to read and write as 'imperfect'.[11] The jail housed both men and women; one wing was the prison, the other the lunatic asylum. Often described as well-run, and humane, it shut in 1930 and was demolished in 1933.[12]

The County Gaol, St Helen's Street, Ipswich

Ipswich County Jail, c.1840-1850 by Claude Lorraine Richard Wilson Nursey
Colchester and Ipswich Museums Service

Any hope that James had learnt his lesson was quickly quashed. He presumably came out in July or August 1868[13] but before the end of the year he was in trouble again. In the early hours of Sunday, November 29, he and forty to fifty others had been drunk and riotous in Stowmarket's Stowupland Streeet. James had been in a fight when P. C. Barker arrived, the officer told the court, and the other man had run away. Barker had tried to get James to go too, but he refused and was arrested. Also appearing in court was another of the group, George Reynolds, who, Barker claimed, had been misbehaving even though his father had just died. Both he and James were 'very troublesome characters', but 'Edgar was the worst'.This opinion was reflected in the sentences: Reynolds was fined 5s. and costs, or seven days in prison if he couldn't pay, while James was hit for 15s plus costs, with a fortnight if he failed to find the money.Reynolds paid at once, James was allowed a week to come up with his. (Bury and Norwich Post, December 1, 1868, 5).

So it's possible that James was lodging close to his parents because they refused to have him at home. Nevertheless, it seems that he did now change his ways, as I've not found any record of his appearance in the justice system after 1868.

John died in the Cosford registration district in  the April-June quarter of 1874. This includes Preston St Mary, so perhaps he went to his brother Thomas at Down Hall Farm in his last illness or perhaps he inherited something after Johnson's death in 1872 that brought him home - I'll discuss this issue in a future post.

What happened to Mary Ann and James?

In 1881 James was still a butcher and lodging with his aunt the widowed Louisa Williams in Stowmarket. I can't find Mary Ann in the 1881 census but by 1891 John has died and she's a widow living on her own means in the family of  - her son James Westrop(e) Edgar at 98 Union Street, Stowmarket. Although we can't rule out a set of coincidences, this seems to be none other than the man who we're following, who for some reason is now using his middle name as well. In 1884 he'd married Elvina Burrows. He's described  as a general labourer so the butcher's trade obviously stopped yielding him a living. By 1901 he's turned to bricklaying - still in Stowmarket, but Mary Ann, now aged 80, is no longer living with him; she's a lodger with (Ms.) Zilpah Johnson - in Stowupland Street where her son was arrested for disorderly behaviour. Mary Ann died in the Stow registration district in the first quarter of 1910.[14] In 1911 James was still a builder and was living at 15 Union Street in Stowmarket. He and Elvina have had 13 children, 7 still living. James died in the last quarter of 1918 in the Stow registration district.




[1] Ancestry.com. England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2008, and
[2] http://www.suffolkmills.org.uk/newsletters/072%20November%201998.pdf
[3] http://edgarfamilyintheworldblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/the-wealth-of-edgars-johnson-and-his.html
[4] http://www.suffolkmills.org.uk/newsletters/072%20November%201998.pdf
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_windmills_in_Suffolk
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stowmarket
[7] Bury and Norwich Post, October 22, 1867, 8.
[8] Ipswich Journal, January 4, 1868.
[9] http://edgarfamilyintheworldblog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/johnson-edgar-1-johnson-has-his-day-in.html
[10] Ancestry.com. England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 [database on-line]. 
[11] http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/forum/topic7073.html
[12]https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8VbdNsRAvPsC&pg=PA40&lpg=PA40&dq=ipswich+county+gaol+well-run&source=bl&ots=AvdQWZ5ld1&sig=mqBYibUf0iUNPyDAwJjxb99X-uA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAWoVChMI8KjjtNbdxwIVQjYaCh1voAEe#v=onepage&q=ipswich%20county%20gaol%20well-run&f=false
[13] Unless he was held in prison from the day of his arrest (October 21) and his sentence included time served.
[14] http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=bmd%2fd%2f1910%2f1%2faz%2f000110%2f070







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